Jenna Cody :
Is Taiwan a real China?
No, and with the exception of a few intervening decades - here’s the part that’ll surprise you - it never has been.
This’ll blow your mind too: that it never has been doesn’t matter.
So let’s start with what doesn’t actually matter.
Until the 1600s, Taiwan was indigenous. Indigenous Taiwanese are not Chinese, they’re Austronesian. Then it was a Dutch colony (note: I do not say “it was Dutch”, I say it was a Dutch colony). Then it was taken over by Ming loyalists at the end of the Ming dynasty (the Ming loyalists were breakaways, not a part of the new Qing court. Any overlap in Ming rule and Ming loyalist conquest of Taiwan was so brief as to be inconsequential).
Only then, in the late 1600s, was it taken over by the Chinese (Qing). But here’s the thing, it was more like a colony of the Qing, treated as - to use Emma Teng’s wording in Taiwan’s Imagined Geography - a barrier or barricade keeping the ‘real’ Qing China safe. In fact, the Qing didn’t even want Taiwan at first, the emperor called it “a ball of mud beyond the pale of civilization”. Prior to that, and to a great extent at that time, there was no concept on the part of China that Taiwan was Chinese, even though Chinese immigrants began moving to Taiwan under Dutch colonial rule (mostly encouraged by the Dutch, to work as laborers). When the Spanish landed in the north of Taiwan, it was the Dutch, not the Chinese, who kicked them out.
Under Qing colonial rule - and yes, I am choosing my words carefully - China only controlled the Western half of Taiwan. They didn’t even have maps for the eastern half. That’s how uninterested in it they were. I can’t say that the Qing controlled “Taiwan”, they only had power over part of it.
Note that the Qing were Manchu, which at the time of their conquest had not been a part of China: China itself essentially became a Manchu imperial holding, and Taiwan did as well, once they were convinced it was not a “ball of mud” but actually worth taking. Taiwan was not treated the same way as the rest of “Qing China”, and was not administered as a province until (I believe) 1887. So that’s around 200 years of Taiwan being a colony of the Qing.
What happened in the late 19th century to change China’s mind? Japan. A Japanese ship was shipwrecked in eastern Taiwan in the 1870s, and the crew was killed by hostile indigenous people in what is known as the Mudan Incident. A Japanese emissary mission went to China to inquire about what could be done, only to be told that China had no control there and if they went to eastern Taiwan, they did so at their own peril. China had not intended to imply that Taiwan wasn’t theirs, but they did. Japan - and other foreign powers, as France also attempted an invasion - were showing an interest in Taiwan, so China decided to cement its claim, started mapping the entire island, and made it a province.
So, I suppose for a decade or so Taiwan was a part of China. A China that no longer exists.
It remained a province until 1895, when it was ceded to Japan after the (first) Sino-Japanese War. Before that could happen, Taiwan declared itself a Republic, although it was essentially a Qing puppet state (though the history here is interesting - correspondence at the time indicates that the leaders of this ‘Republic of Taiwan’ considered themselves Chinese, and the tiger flag hints at this as well. However, the constitution was a very republican document, not something you’d expect to see in Qing-era China.) That lasted for less than a year, when the Japanese took it by force.
This is important for two reasons - the first is that some interpretations of IR theory state that when a colonial holding is released, it should revert to the state it was in before it was taken as a colony. In this case, that would actually be The Republic of Taiwan, not Qing-era China. Secondly, it puts to rest all notions that there was no Taiwan autonomy movement prior to 1947.
In any case, it would be impossible to revert to its previous state, as the government that controlled it - the Qing empire - no longer exists. The current government of China - the PRC - has never controlled it.
After the Japanese colonial era, there is a whole web of treaties and agreements that do not satisfactorily settle the status of Taiwan. None of them actually do so - those which explicitly state that Taiwan is to be given to the Republic of China (such as the Cairo declaration) are non-binding. Those that are binding do not settle the status of Taiwan (neither the treaty of San Francisco nor the Treaty of Taipei definitively say that Taiwan is a part of China, or even which China it is - the Treaty of Taipei sets out what nationality the Taiwanese are to be considered, but that doesn’t determine territorial claims). Treaty-wise, the status of Taiwan is “undetermined”.
Under more modern interpretations, what a state needs to be a state is…lessee…a contiguous territory, a government, a military, a currency…maybe I’m forgetting something, but Taiwan has all of it. For all intents and purposes it is independent already.
In fact, in the time when all of these agreements were made, the Allied powers weren’t as sure as you might have learned about what to do with Taiwan. They weren’t a big fan of Chiang Kai-shek, didn’t want it to go Communist, and discussed an Allied trusteeship (which would have led to independence) or backing local autonomy movements (which did exist). That it became what it did - “the ROC” but not China - was an accident (as Hsiao-ting Lin lays out in Accidental State).
In fact, the KMT knew this, and at the time the foreign minister (George Yeh) stated something to the effect that they were aware they were ‘squatters’ in Taiwan.
Since then, it’s true that the ROC claims to be the rightful government of Taiwan, however, that hardly matters when considering the future of Taiwan simply because they have no choice. To divest themselves of all such claims (and, presumably, change their name) would be considered by the PRC to be a declaration of formal independence. So that they have not done so is not a sign that they wish to retain the claim, merely that they wish to avoid a war.
It’s also true that most Taiwanese are ethnically “Han” (alongside indigenous and Hakka, although Hakka are, according to many, technically Han…but I don’t think that’s relevant here). But biology is not destiny: what ethnicity someone is shouldn’t determine what government they must be ruled by.
Through all of this, the Taiwanese have evolved their own culture, identity and sense of history. They are diverse in a way unique to Taiwan, having been a part of Austronesian and later Hoklo trade routes through Southeast Asia for millenia. Now, one in five (I’ve heard one in four, actually) Taiwanese children has a foreign parent. The Taiwanese language (which is not Mandarin - that’s a KMT transplant language forced on Taiwanese) is gaining popularity as people discover their history. Visiting Taiwan and China, it is clear where the cultural differences are, not least in terms of civic engagement. This morning, a group of legislators were removed after a weekend-long pro-labor hunger strike in front of the presidential palace. They were not arrested and will not be. Right now, a group of pro-labor protesters is lying down on the tracks at Taipei Main Station to protest the new labor law amendments.
This would never be allowed in China, but Taiwanese take it as a fiercely-guarded basic right.
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Now, as I said, none of this matters.
What matters is self-determination. If you believe in democracy, you believe that every state (and Taiwan does fit the definition of a state) that wants to be democratic - that already is democratic and wishes to remain that way - has the right to self-determination. In fact, every nation does. You cannot be pro-democracy and also believe that it is acceptable to deprive people of this right, especially if they already have it.
Taiwan is already a democracy. That means it has the right to determine its own future. Period.
Even under the ROC, Taiwan was not allowed to determine its future. The KMT just arrived from China and claimed it. The Taiwanese were never asked if they consented. What do we call it when a foreign government arrives in land they had not previously governed and declares itself the legitimate governing power of that land without the consent of the local people? We call that colonialism.
Under this definition, the ROC can also be said to be a colonial power in Taiwan. They forced Mandarin - previously not a language native to Taiwan - onto the people, taught Chinese history, geography and culture, and insisted that the Taiwanese learn they were Chinese - not Taiwanese (and certainly not Japanese). This was forced on them. It was not chosen. Some, for awhile, swallowed it. Many didn’t. The independence movement only grew, and truly blossomed after democratization - something the Taiwanese fought for and won, not something handed to them by the KMT.
So what matters is what the Taiwanese want, not what the ROC is forced to claim. I cannot stress this enough - if you do not believe Taiwan has the right to this, you do not believe in democracy.
And poll after poll shows it: Taiwanese identify more as Taiwanese than Chinese (those who identify as both primarily identify as Taiwanese, just as I identify as American and Armenian, but primarily as American. Armenian is merely my ethnicity). They overwhelmingly support not unifying with China. The vast majority who support the status quo support one that leads to eventual de jure independence, not unification. The status quo is not - and cannot be - an endgame (if only because China has declared so, but also because it is untenable). Less than 10% want unification. Only a small number (a very small minority) would countenance unification in the future…even if China were to democratize.
The issue isn’t the incompatibility of the systems - it’s that the Taiwanese fundamentally do not see themselves as Chinese.
A change in China’s system won’t change that. It’s not an ethnic nationalism - there is no ethnic argument for Taiwan (or any nation - didn’t we learn in the 20th century what ethnicity-based nation-building leads to? Nothing good). It’s not a jingoistic or xenophobic nationalism - Taiwanese know that to be dangerous. It’s a nationalism based on shared identity, culture, history and civics. The healthiest kind of nationalism there is. Taiwan exists because the Taiwanese identify with it. Period.
There are debates about how long the status quo should go on, and what we should risk to insist on formal recognition. However, the question of whether or not to be Taiwan, not China…
…well, that’s already settled.
The Taiwanese have spoken and they are not Chinese.
Whatever y’all think about that doesn’t matter. That’s what they want, and if you believe in self-determination you will respect it.
If you don’t, good luck with your authoritarian nonsense, but Taiwan wants nothing to do with it.
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This is the face of a woman who has been hankering after paella for the last few days.
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“Where’s my paella?” she asks, with her “Where’s my paella?” face.
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“It will arrive. It takes about 30 minutes to make. If you go to a not-so-good restaurant, they use cold cooked rice to make it instead of cooking it from scratch,” I explained.
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I can’t say I blame her, I was also hungry after a full day of walking, museuming and cathedralling In Sevilla. And we missed lunch. So this 5pm meal was a very late lunch.
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The seafood paella finally came and it was really good and tasty. It had generous portions of fish, prawns, and squid, and even two small lobsters.
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It had better be good. It cost me €34 for the pan for two. It was going to be one of our last meals in Spain so I didn’t want to let the wife eat something less than good.
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Not every meal needs to be expensive, of course. We’ve been eating in some pretty low-cost places and enjoying the food there too. Spanish food rocks so hard. Simple ingredients, fresh produce, great taste.
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Did you know, for example, that most of the olive oil in the world is from Spain? Yes, even the ones you buy in Italy. And Spain makes great olive oil. I’m not even an olive oil person but in Spain, I’m dipping my bread in that stuff all the time. So so good.
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Our night at Rustico was full of surprises! It was my first time to try the traditional Catalan dish - Charcoal grilled #Calçots 西班牙大蔥. Honestly, I didn’t expect much when I first saw the charred spring onion. We were asked to tilt our head back, open our mouth wide and slowly drop the white Calçot. The Calçot was exceptionally sweet! People in Catalonia even celebrate the harvest of Calçot every year!
Another surprising dish is the Rustic toast with tomato, garlic, seasalts and olive oil. I never thought that I will praise a toast. I am not a fan of olive oil but this combination is perfect and the toast was very crispy.
If you are a seafood lover, go for the Jumbo Prawn 烤燒珍寶大蝦 , which was nicely butterflied and grilled. It was very meaty, perfect when served with 🍋
Don’t forget to order a #Paella 西班牙黑毛豬海鮮飯 🥘 in a Spanish restaurant !
We ended our day with our breakfast (Yes! Breakfast at 10pm) Interesting fact: Churro is actually eaten as breakfast in Spain! I hope I am not the only one who doesn’t know about this...
I was so surprised to find such a lovely restaurant in Lai Chi Kok, an industrial area in HK. Highly recommend you to visit Rustico for a relaxing night! Grilled calçot is a seasonal dish, the menu is only available until 14 April! 2 weeks to go!
I must need to say a big thank you to Mr. Alvarez for teaching us so much about the culture of Spain! Gracias!
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腳本:
上個月我拍一集說
Last month I film this video
我錯了!
I was wrong!
恐慌不好,沒有錯
Panic is not good, true
但是
but
防疫不夠更糟糕!
Not enough prevention is worst!
糟糕到引發
Worst till the point to lead us to
西班牙末日!
The end of Spain!
世界末日
The end of the world
你準備好嗎
Are you ready?
還好,我已經有口罩
Okay, I already have masks
感謝我的朋友
Thanks to my friends
因為你們本來把口罩搶走
Because you took all masks away
搶光光
All of them
COW杯
cow-bei
看來
It seems
疫情很嚴重
The epidemic is serious
靠腰,陰屍路到了
It's "the walking dead "
在這部影片
In this video
我沒有辦法說這句話
I can not say this
因為YouTube 不會讓我賺錢喔
Because YouTube won't make me money
謝謝YouTube
Thanks to YouTube
COW杯
Cowbei
這次我要拍
This video
像一些人的
Like some guy's
比較短的影片
It's short
重點是
The point is
西班牙
Spain
我以前的國家
My previous country
輸給臺灣
Lose to taiwan
西班牙輸了
Spain lost
臺灣
Taiwan
幹得好
Well done
對,沒錯
Yes yes
親愛的朋友
My dear friends
西班牙很糟糕
Spain is bad
臺灣做得非常好
Taiwan is doing very well
我口乾有一點渴
My mouth is a little thirsty
爽
Cool
這個故事告訴我們什麼?
What did this story say?
在這樣
In
世界末日
The end of the world
的情況下
In this situation
恐慌
Panic
有幫助
Works
不要誤會啦
Don't get me wrong
我覺得恐慌是不好的
I think panic is bad
但是在這種情況下
But in this situation
如果你要選
If you need to choose
過度
Over
或是不足
Or insufficient
過度比較好
Over is better
什麼意思?
What dose that mean?
臺灣從一開始
Taiwan from the beginning
好熱
So hot
臺灣人就恐慌了
Taiwanese panic
搶口罩
Grab mask
引發我買不到
So me can't buy any
咳咳
(Coughing)
不是不是
No, no
是我暗示你們很cow杯
I hint you guys are very cow-bei
從一開始
At the first time
臺灣人一直在噴酒精
Taiwanese have been spraying alcohol
但是西班牙人
But the spanish
已經有很多人得病
Already many people got sick
還會去參加很多人的活動
And go to lot of people's events
引發連政治人物
Even politicians
都生病了
Are sick
都得了
They got it
不過西班牙人跟臺灣人
But the Spaniards and Taiwanese
有兩件事做得一模一樣
Two things are done exactly the same
一,政治人物用這個
First, politicians use this
來攻擊彼此
To attack each other
來互罵
Come scolding each other
都是蔡英文的假新聞
It's all fake news from Cai Yingwen
這個是國民黨扯後腿
This is the KMT pulling hind legs
對,西班牙更嚴重
Yes, Spain is worse
真的很cow杯
It's really bad
第二件事
Second
是在這個情況之下
Is in this situation
大家
People
愛
Love
搶衛生紙
Grabbing toilet paper
在臺灣
in Taiwan
民眾狂搶衛生紙
People fight for toilet paper
因為謠言指出
Because rumors point out
衛生紙與醫療口罩原料相同
Toilet paper is the same as medical mask
可能會影響衛生紙產量與價格
May affect tissue production and prices
歐伊系
Yummy
這個算是美食節目嗎?
Is this a food show?
趕快按讚啦
Hurry up and like
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為什麼
why
大家
everyone
愛搶衛生紙?
Love fight for toilet paper?
有人可以幫我解釋嗎?
Can someone explain it for me?
沒有你、沒有你、沒有你
Without you, without you, without you
不能沒有你
Can't live without you
寶貝、寶貝!
Baby Baby!
這樣
is because
比較安全嗎?
Is it safer?
要不要這樣出門?
Should I to go out like this?
也不錯
Not bad
我要告訴你們一個秘密
I want to tell you a secret
今年的新希望
My new goal for this year was
是申請臺灣國籍
Apply for Taiwan nacionality
本來想要回去西班牙辦這件事
I wanted to go back to Spain to do this
現在我不知道什麼時候可以回去
Now i don't know when i can go back
但是有一件事
But one thing
很清楚
is very clear
無論如何
no matter how
我一定
I must
要變成臺灣人
To become Taiwanese
小英,妳聽到嗎?
Little Tsai, do you hear me?
拜託妳
Please
沒問題
no problem
哦給
OK
謝啦
Thanks
因為臺灣表現得很好
Because Taiwan is doing very well
我已經在做這件T恤
I am already making this t-shirt
你們可以告訴大家
You can tell everyone
臺灣安全
Taiwan is safe
你們不是從武漢來的
You are not from Wuhan
為臺灣驕傲
Proud of taiwan
這個就是
This is
靠,我愛台灣 的意思
The meaning of Damn I Love Taiwan
現在懂嗎?
Do you understand now?
不過,要繼續加油
But needs keep fighting
西班牙更加油
Spain need it even more
親愛的家人
Dear family
親愛的朋友
Dear friends
拜託
Please
保持安全
stay safe
不要出門
Don't go out
常常洗手
Wash hands often
吃健康
Eat healthy
多休息
Rest more
常常運動
Exercise often
這個是COW杯
This is Cowbei
我是黑素斯
I´m Jesus
掰
Bye
欸?靠T恤我忘記匯款
Eh? I forgot to do transfer for T-shirt
等我一下
wait for me
掰
bye
我一定
I must
要變成臺灣人
To become Taiwanese
黑素斯沒問題
Jesus, no problem
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Everyone always wonders what I’m mixed with so here it is! I’m Korean, Chinese, Vietnamese, and French (British-European). Before any smart ass wants to say I’m using google translate, lmao dude, yes. I can’t speak fluent anything. I even suck at English ???
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(the above is obviously me just teasing him about his accent....if you didn't figure that out.....then you're a bit dumb...or you don't understand my humor yet.......which probably means you're still a bit dumb)
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Mordeth13 says:
I think your English is great......I was just trying to tease you
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